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Can Islam dominate China Korea and Japan in future?
譯者:unknown     發布時間:2017-01-24     超過 0 位網友閱讀

所以伊斯蘭教在中國綠化的機會更大,只因為中國比她的鄰居日韓更具有包容性,對嗎?

原文地址:https://www.quora.com/Can-Islam-dominate-China-Korea-and-Japan-in-future/answer/Nan-Zhang-101


Will Islam ever dominate there?

伊斯蘭會主宰這些地方嗎?

未來伊斯蘭有可能主宰中日韓嗎





Nan Zhang A Touhou Fan and a nobody
Written Nov 4
First let me begin with Japan.
I would say that Islam has zero chance to dominate Japan.
Reasons are:
Islam has no market in Japan.Religion in Japan - Wikipedia Generally speaking Shinto and Buddhism are the big boss. Most Japanese muslims are immigrants which means most japanese muslims are not ethnicaly Japanese.
Historically speaking the power holders of Japan did not tolerate any religion who wanted to take the charge of regime at all. Several supresses or we say slaughters clearly show that it seems not possible for muslims to turn Japan into a unworldliness country. Supresses: 越前一向一揆 - Wikipedia Amakusa Shirō - Wikipedia
Immigration policy. Japan is not a nation of immigrants.

首先,讓我從日本開始談起:
我想說,伊斯蘭沒有任何機會主宰日本。
原因如下:
伊斯蘭在日本沒有市場,日本主要信仰神道教和佛教,日本的穆斯林絕大多數是外面移民進來的,也就意味著日本的大多數穆斯林并非土著。從日本的歷史來看,日本的統治者也絕對不會容忍任何威脅到統治權的宗教的存在。數次對宗教(人士)的壓制或者說屠殺明顯證明,穆斯林不太可能把日本變成一個超塵脫俗的國家。
移民政策:日本根本就不是一個移民國家。



Then let me talk about China.
As a Chinese myself I have to say that it depends on goverment. If the government continue to conduct appeasement policy against Chinese musilims I would say anythings is possible. Chinese is a magic realism coutry where the majority is exactly the vulnerable group.
Once Chinese muslims wanted to take over the regime and eliminate Han people Dungan Revolt (1862–77) - Wikipediawikipedia.org They failed anyway but it seems that they never give up.

接下來說中國:作為一個中國人,我必須得說,這要取決于中國政府怎么搞。如果政府繼續對境內的穆斯林采取目前的這種綏靖政策,我想說,(中國成為一個綠綠國家)是有可能的。中國是一個神奇的國度,主體民族反而成了弱勢族群。曾經,中國的回回想奪取政權進而滅絕漢人。同治回亂(1862-1877維基百科)雖然他們失敗了,但是好像他們從沒放棄過(奪權、滅漢)。 (譯注:為這位兄臺默哀,我放佛已經看到一頂皇漢的帽子在半空中熠熠生輝)

Finally it comes to Korea.
No offense but Korea suffers from political chaos these days. Some korean people even think their government has already been controlled by some evil religion. Hope things can become good again soon.

最后說說韓國:無意冒犯,但韓國最近好像政局混亂。一些韓國人甚至認為他們的政府已經被某些邪惡的宗教所控制。希望情況會有所好轉。



Jamal Bradley5 votes Show
The entire context of the question is wrong. For one Islam is not some entity that has a mind and can seek to “dominate” any person or entity. Now if one were to construct the question of “Can Islam become the main religion in Japan or China?” then I’d say yes. But it would initially have to be because the people of these places have encountered decent practicing Muslims absent of cultural leanings which have nothing to do with Islam and such people when encountering the religion can see value and benefit.

這個問題的整個語境都是錯誤的。就說一點伊斯蘭教并不是某個擁有主體思想并尋求控制任何人的實體。如果某個人構思的問題是:伊斯蘭教是否可以成為日本或者中國的主要宗教嗎? 那我會回答yes。就最初來說是有這個趨勢的,因為這些地方的人遇到了不少舉止得體的穆斯林,跨越了文化的溝壑——這些溝壑對伊斯蘭教傳播和這些人民是沒有好處的,讀懂了伊斯蘭教的價值觀和益處。

The overwhelming majority of Muslim nations of today were not “conquered” by war or fighting. Quite simply there were people who were good and well intentioned Muslims the non-Muslim people observed their actions and wanted to learn more. In turn they decided to become Muslim. Thus examples such as Indonesia Malaysia Bangladesh Pakistan and other regions of Asia with large populations of people who at some point in history became Muslim absent of any violent encounters.

今天主要的穆斯林主體國家在歷史上并非是用戰爭或者爭斗實現的,很簡單的是有很多心地非常善良的穆斯林幫助過別人,非穆斯林人民看到了他們的行動并且想要學習更多,結果他們就決定成為穆斯林。這樣的例子很多,比如印尼,馬來西亞,孟加拉國,巴基斯坦以及歷史上出現過大批人口成為穆斯林的亞洲國家,這樣的情況無一例外都是無沖突背景下實現的。



Nan Zhang
你說的很有道理. 我同意你的大部分意見.
但是正如我先前在我的回答中提到過的,關于中國穆斯林的問題,我認為把它作為一個宗教問題或者稱之為“征服”是不恰當的,我認為它是一個民族問題。

另外,我不覺得題主和其他答主把伊斯蘭教視為靠戰爭和征服來擴張的宗教。如果伊斯蘭教開始在東亞國家展示它的魅力從而使這些國家的人們信仰伊斯蘭教,那么這也可以說是一種支配。我認為人并不是天生好戰的物種。若有冒犯敬請諒解。



Jamal Bradley
一點也沒有冒犯. 我只是想通過這些描述把這個問題講清楚,因為在一些媒體和文章中,伊斯蘭教經常以“靠武力傳播”的形象出現。
感謝與您的交流,期待有更多的提問。



Girish K6 votes Show
Over 80 million Hindus Sikhs Buddhists died in present day India Pakistan and Afghanistan at the hands of mughals. They fought against forcible conversion ruthless rapists sex slavery and cruel tax laws on non Muslims as much as they could before falling and most of them either converting through force or because of no choice. And that was ‘peaceful’ conversion huh? Present day Pakistan has conducted clinical oppression against Hindus and Sikhs since the country broke from India.

超過8000萬的印度教徒、錫克教徒、佛教徒死在今天的印度、巴基斯坦和阿富汗權貴手上。他們反抗統治者下臺前對非穆斯林人民實施的暴力統治:強制性的皈依以及毫無人性的強奸行為、將他們作為性奴,以及嚴苛的征稅條例。大部分的人轉變為穆斯林是因為強制性或者沒有選擇,你認為這些都是“和平轉化”嗎?自從巴基斯坦從印度分離出來后,現在的巴基斯坦政府對印度教徒、西克教徒進行了諸多沒有人性的鎮壓行動。



Abdullah2 votes Show
That is non-sense. Islam is a religion which spread by conquests and all the countries you mentioned were islamized by conquests at some point. That is why Pakistan is one of the most intolerant regimes in the world. And as a religion islam is hellbent on global domination. Muslims see that as their mission and Gods promise to them.

你說的都是屁話,伊斯蘭教的傳播都是通過征服的手段實現的,你上面提到的伊斯蘭化的幾個國家都是通過歷史上某個時間段的征伐達成的。那就是為什么巴基斯坦是世界上最不寬容的幾個國家政權之一的原因。作為一個宗教而言伊斯蘭教總是對統治全球特別熱衷。穆斯林把征討世界視為他們的使命和上帝對他們的承諾。



Ferry Fernandez Wijaya
I would suggest that you upxe your knowledge. I’m a non-Muslim Indonesian I was taught Indonesian history since late primary school. And I can tell you that Islam first spread here thanks to Arabic merchant class that mingled and sometimes settled in the archipelago. The majority religion in the archipelago Hindu-Buddhism was completely shifted to Islam in a relatively short time in part because it was spread peacefully and that it’s more inclusive towards the low caste population. If anything Christianity is the one more viewed as the “evil” religion because it’s the religion of the Europeans the conqueror of the archipelago who undoubtedly employed violence in their conquest.

我建議你更新下你的知識。我是一個非穆斯林印度尼西亞人,從我小學后期我就開始學習我們國家的歷史。伊斯蘭教在我的過國家傳播最初是由于在這片群島貿易和歇腳的阿拉伯商人階級。我們國家的主導宗教很快就和平得從印度教佛教轉變成了伊斯蘭教,因為它對低種姓的人民更包容。基督教被認為是邪惡的宗教,因為它是歐洲征服者的宗教,他們在征服的過程中無疑使用了暴力。



Jamal Bradley
I just looked at your profile and every single question comment and answer you’ve provided shows you are a bigot and have some kind of hatred towards Muslims and Islam. Granted everyone may not agree with all people or ideas but you seem to be bent on spreading pure hatred and ignorance.

我看了你的簡介、每一個評論和答案。它們證明了你是一個偏執頑固的人并且對于伊斯蘭教和穆斯林有著某種敵意。雖然人們都不可能同意所有的主意,但你看起來專心致力于散播純粹的仇恨和愚昧。



Abdullah
If I were a bigot I would probably stay as a muslim who hates non-muslims gays seculars and anybody who is not a muslim of my taste and dream of forcefully converting them one day. I have hatred towards Islam because it is a hatefull bigoted sexist religion which is oppressing people all around the world. So that is called self-defence. Just like I hate Nazism I hate Islam. That is all. And no I am not a hateful person. I am hateful against ideologies and people who have intolerant supremecsist oppresive mindset. That is probably because I have grown up in pure hatred in an islamic environment. If you really want to see hatred and bigotry all you have to do is visit and see a muslim country. I am not spreading ignorance as well. I am spreading reality. If you do not like what I said then you should probably not peep into Islam anymore. Because there is a lot of that in islam.

如果我是一個偏執狂,那我可能就會繼續當一個穆斯林:仇恨非穆斯林,仇恨同性戀,仇恨世俗化的人,仇恨不是合乎我口味的穆斯林的任何人,并且夢想總有一天強力讓他們皈依。我痛恨伊斯蘭教,因為這是一種可惡的偏執的性別歧視的宗教,壓迫所有的人。這就是所謂的自衛。就像我恨納粹一樣,我恨伊斯蘭教。就這樣。我不是一個可惡的人。我討厭意識形態,討厭心胸狹窄的極端的心態壓抑的人。這可能是因為我在一個伊斯蘭教的純粹是仇恨的環境下長大的緣故。如果你真的想看到仇恨和偏執,只要去一個 穆斯林國家看看就知道了。我也不是在散播無知。我只是告訴你現實。如果你不喜歡我說的,你就不應該再瞄一眼伊斯蘭教了。因為在伊斯蘭教里有很多的仇恨與偏執。



Jamal Bradley
I’m Muslim born and raised in America and living in a Muslim country. You’re confusing culture with religion. An individual can point to America itself and the European conquest of the Americas and suggest that it has something to do with Christianity but that would be wrong.
Similarly one can look at the Mongols who conquered much of Asia and killed millions of people and suggest that it has something to do with Buddhism or Shamanism and that would be wrong.
Can anyone suggest that the Japanese invasion enslavement and murder of millions of people in China and the Philippines have to do with Shintoism of course not.
People are oppressing others all over the world from Latin America (Catholic) Myanmar (Buddhist) Syria (Islam) and even in the United States (Christianity).
But the fact that you apparently make it a point to attack Islam in numerous other posts according to your profile is what makes you a bigot. And if you claim to have grown up in an environment it wasn’t Islamic. Sadly it appears it was a culture that mixes outdated social norms a lack of education oppression of woman and other backwards notions and because the people are so-uneducated when someone says “This is Islam” the people don’t know any better because they’re not learned and don’t know any better.
But such acts have nothing to do with any religion and to suggest so and then spread it makes one an accessory to spreading hatred.

我是個穆斯林,出生和長大在美國,現在居住在一個穆斯林國家。你混淆了宗教和文化。任何人都可以指向美國以及歐洲對美洲的征服,然后稱這與基督教有關,但這種說法是錯誤的。

看看蒙古人就知道了,他們征服亞洲并殺死無數人,而如果你說這與佛教或者薩滿教有關,那么你就是錯的。

日本人侵略和殺死無數的中國人和菲律賓人,你能說這與日本的神道教有關嗎,當然不能。

全世界都存在人鎮壓人的現象,拉丁美洲(天主教),緬甸(佛教),敘利亞(伊斯蘭教),甚至在美國(基督教)。

但是你在其他的帖子中都有意攻擊伊斯蘭教,所以你是個偏執的人。你說你生長在一個伊斯蘭的環境中,其實那并非伊斯蘭。那其實是過時的社會規范,教育缺乏,鎮壓女性以及其他落后觀點而組成的文化導致的,而由于人們沒受什么教育,所以當有人說“這就是伊斯蘭”時,人們就真的相信了,因為他們不了解真相。

但是這樣的行為和任何宗教都沒有關系,而你卻持這種看法并進行散播,所以這這種行為就是在散播仇恨。



Abdullah
Well religions are perfect ideologies for empire building that is a fact. Be it Christianity or Islam. I have not lived in any Christian coutry so I can not comment on them but for once Christians moved on Muslims did not. Most Christian nations have secular regimes with freedom of religion and expression where as Muslims still have draconian laws which dictates you a religion based mentality starting from early age. They brainwash you into being a hatefull bigoted person who sees the world as muslims vs. kuffar.
I can attack Islam that is my freedom of religion and expression. But I do not want to kill muslims while most muslims would want to kill me for being an apostate. That is the difference and that is what makes muslims bigoted and hatefull not me.
I grew up in a perfectly islamic environment. I have at least 5 friends from elementary school who joined ISIS and fought in Syria. If I were not an irreligious person maybe I could be one of them. I started memorizing qu’ran at age 6 and have a hafiz certificate and spent 15 years of my life in religious schools.
And sadly your distinciton between culture and islam does not make sense. Because without islamic input my culture has nothing to do with that. We were used to be one of the most egelitarian societies on Earth before accepting islam.

好吧,宗教是君主制的最佳意識形態,這是事實。無論是基督教還是伊斯蘭。我從來沒有在基督教國家生活過,所以我不能評論他們,但是有一點,基督徒進步了,穆斯林沒有。

大多數基督教國家有世俗化的政體、宗教和言論自由,而穆斯林仍有著嚴苛的法律,從小根據宗教指導你精神世界。把你洗腦成心里充滿仇恨的宗教極端分子,把這個世界看成穆斯林和咖啡樂(異教徒)的對抗。

我可以攻擊伊斯蘭教,這是我的宗教和言論自由。但是我不想殺穆斯林,很多穆斯林卻想殺我,因為我叛教。這就是區別,這就是為什么穆斯林極端,充滿仇恨,而我不。

我在完全的伊斯蘭環境成長。至少5位我小學朋友加入了ISIS,參加敘利亞戰爭。如果我有宗教信仰,我可能也是他們中的一員。我六歲背記古蘭經,有哈菲茲證書,在宗教學校呆了15年。可悲的是,區分文化和伊斯蘭沒有意義。因為我的文化除了伊斯蘭一無所有。在接受伊斯蘭之前,我們曾是最平等的社會。



Pratik M1 vote by Mercedes Krupp
I mean the situation in SK is quite awful at the moment. It does look like their government is a secret plutocracy as more and more revelations come out.

 我是說,現在韓國的情況很不好。更多真相曝光之后,他們的政府就像個秘密財閥統治的。



Shane Towe1 vote by Abdullah
Islam have spread around mostly in Asia (India Indonesia) because those people never knew how to fight they always think these are new group of people come to assimilate. Mostly it started with sword but slowly it change to other mean. Its hard in China because communist party is ruthless Japanese pride their culture (another word they are not hindus who’ll easily convert).
I think best bait Islam have right now is Europe and US or wherever leader cant speak rather they try to be politically correct.

伊斯蘭在亞洲大部分地區廣泛傳播(印度,印尼),因為那些人不知道怎么反抗,他們總是被這些新來的人同化。一開始大多是用武力傳播伊斯蘭,后來變成其他方式。在中國這很難,因為tg冷酷無情,日本以他們的文化為傲(換言之,他們不像印度人那么容易轉變) 

我認為現在最受伊斯蘭垂涎的是歐洲和美國,因為領導者都要政治正確而不能發聲。



Kalyan Mannava1 vote by Girish K
aah…the dangers of half baked knowledge littered with bias!
First of all Indians don’t know how to fight? A simple search in Wikipedia should enlighten you of our history. High tolerance to assimilation is NOT unwillingness to fight.
< another word they are not Hindus who’ll easily convert>
Of almost all the countries Islam went to (Arabs/Turks) in Asia and Africa Pretty much Hindus (and Sikhs) are the only ones that not only resisted complete conversion but pretty much remained the MAJORITY. And this is after repeated attacks for 1000 years. The percentage of Muslims during partition was 25% no where near your imagination of 50.
And regarding your BS about Rajputs and Marathas so many brave clans throughout the country fought against the invaders. We are thankful to ALL of them. You claimed to have learnt a lot about our “beautiful country’- do us a favor and learn its history first.

呵呵……灌著偏見的半瓶水最危險!
首先,印度人不知道怎么反抗?維基百科簡單搜一下你就會知道我們的歷史。對于同化的高度忍耐不是不愿意去反抗。

<換言之,他們不像印度人那么容易轉變>

在幾乎所有深受伊斯蘭影響的亞非國家(阿拉伯/土耳其),印度(和錫金)是唯一反對完全轉變,并且(反對者)還保持多數的。在持續千年的攻擊之后。穆斯林的比例依然是25%,完全不是你想象的50%。

回敬你的狗屁,拉其普特人和馬拉地人有許許多多的勇敢的部落遍布祖國大地,反擊侵略者。我們感謝他們所有人。你聲稱對我們美麗的國家很了解——拜托先了解她的歷史吧



Divjot Jolly
Shows how illiterate you are in history and as a person

充分表明了你作為一個人,對歷史有多無知。



Benjamin Marr1 vote by Dandilion
I don't think Chinese government will allow any religion to become dominant in China Maoism itself is to some extend a religion provocated by Chinese government so they won't allow anything else to replace Maoism.

我不認為中國政府會允許任何宗教成為中國的主導宗教,毛主義某種程度上就是中國政府所鼓吹的宗教,所以他們不會讓任何宗教取代毛主義。



Kervin Jacque
So it's more likely for Islam to have a chance in China due to how tolerant China is compared to her neighbors Korea and Japan right?.

所以伊斯蘭教在中國綠化的機會更大,只因為中國比她的鄰居日韓更具有包容性,對嗎?


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